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hello everybody my name is jonathan reece from elevator back to its bhim today we're going to cook at round two of autocad versus Vectorworks we're going to talk about 2d presentation and 3d presentation using those two bits of software for this round so first up we're going to talk about the 2d graphics for AutoCAD and basically have a quick look at the kind of graphical capabilities the software can provide now when you look at most of the drawings that you see on AutoCAD you generally know associate it with a black background and colored lines the reason for this is basically with AutoCAD rather than drawing with lime weights you draw with different colors and those colors were associated to different line weights so it's kind of quite a technical way to adapt to drafting you can basically kind of work out what the heavier lines are by looking at for example the red would be the heavier line for the walls probably the pink here is gonna be a lighter line white or things like the windows and maybe another line weight for things like the furniture and so on so that definitely is why often you see AutoCAD users drawing on a black background because the line weights don't really show and they need the color to distinguish those lone ways but otherwise in terms of graphic expect to it AutoCAD is pretty capable and it can kind of knock out good line drawings and so on however you know it's not so good at doing sort of graphical things that you would try and get from say Photoshop or InDesign now for me this is where vector X does it Excel and basically here is a drawing that I did back in 2000 when I did some work in Sydney so that's 20 years ago working on a project where we were three of us working in a big team and we'll talk about the referencing features later but even back then you can see the 2d graphics embed - it's pretty cool and actually funnily enough because I've been working in 3d for so long I was struggling to find more 2d drawings that I've done but wondered one of the really nice things with that towards these days is you have full control over things like color hatches line weights opacity even things like drop shadow as well so you do have the full range of capabilities I mean obviously auto had to has really good hatching and those kind of things but it doesn't quite have such good support for image files and things like drop shadows and opacity a lot more tricky to achieve so for me I'm gonna give AutoCAD a score of 6 for 2d graphics basically vector works for me very very superior 2d graphics and we're going to give that a score of 8 so for the next part of this video we're going to be talking about 3d modeling and rendering so AutoCAD does now have a 3d side it has some basic sort of primitive tools like spheres and kind of extrude and so on and but really it does focus more on the 2d side as an application so the 3d side is a little basic in that you know not many people kind of that I know as architects use the 3d side of AutoCAD they tend to find that they use Sketchup or some other 3d software with AutoCAD for 2d maybe Sketchup for 3d and there may be a renderer so yeah well kind of take a look at some of the features of the 3d AutoCAD and but in terms of 3d for vector works as I said before I've been using 3d vector X for well my whole career and personally I find it a very flexible really robust and really easy to use modeling system the great thing with out to Excalibur amount of detail that you can add via sort of things like 3d symbols plus you can reference to break up your model so you can manage it in layers and classes so that makes things a lot easier when you're doing really complex models like this this was a project I did a few years ago and but the other thing that I really like about referred to works it does have a very good renderer built in it's called render works this is actually based on the cinema 4d rendering engine it's like a cut down version of cinema 4d straight in your rendering application and the quality of the renders you can get are pretty decent maybe isn't the fastest renderer in the world but you can get some great quite straightforwardly and I use OpenGL rendering an awful lot and get some nice output for the clients without doing too much more so in summary vector which has not only all the free form modeling tools you would expect push purl sort of lathes extrude twist all these things I'm because it works from your 2d drawings and you can extrude them and then edit them and it does make modeling out buildings quite flexible but we do also have some really advanced 3d modeling tools such as NURBS 3d modeling also site modeling is a whole nother thing we'll talk about in another video perhaps but finally we also have now sub primitive type modeling which is kind of like the equivalent of Rhino so for me in fact to its wins hands down it gives a really good score of seven AutoCAD I'm afraid to only give give that too because the rendering and the modeling is pretty poor without a some extras so definitely on the 3d side the movement from 2d to 3d that to us is the winner there so for the third part of this talk we're going to be looking at the BIM capabilities of AutoCAD invent works now this might seem a little unfair because really AutoCAD to be honest doesn't really have any proper BIM capability so it has basic 3d but it doesn't have the information to the holding requirements that you need in a BIM application and obviously with AutoCAD it's very compatible with other software like autocad architecture and particularly revver so autodesk a very keen theme to move from autocad to architecture or particularly the Revit tool when you want to look at doing bim workflows however with vector works as well as the TD and excellent 3d modeling and rendering and it does actually come with a full suite of BIM tools so with that - its architect it's quite possible to document the building both in 2d 3d and using Building Information modelling processors FET towards can actually import IFC files and export those as well so we also have compatibility with Revit direct import and also direct export via vector works 2020 these days so I really recommend the BIM capabilities about two works I think it's a really nice approachable side and you can kind of start from your 2d graphics you can work up your 3d ideas and then when you're ready you can actually basically adopt a BIM methodology at any point of the workflow there's nothing to stop you from starting off in a BIM workflow as well but you know kind of like you can access the BIM tools pretty much from any point and that's one of the reasons I love the vet - it's been said it's just really approachable and user friendly that's one of the really big advantages I think without do X it kind of makes it scalable so that people can actually get into it with you know relatively minimal learning now don't get me wrong I definitely recommend some training when you're looking at them because it is a lot lot harder than 2d modeling but you do get so much more from it you can kind of see how you can get fully sets of coordinated drawings p
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- Dolores Belles, Staff Member
hi everybody my name is Jonathan Reeves from innovative XO it's bhim today we're gonna hook a CAD software compared we're going to take a look at auto cad versus back to works now I've been about to achieve it for a long time that many of my clients I've worked with over the years I've come from AutoCAD and moved across the back doors and made the switch so really quite I want to just take a look at both bits of software and try and be you know relatively unbiased about what we see so we're going to compare them in different ways first of all we're going to be looking at the usability and then we'll look at some other functions as well so starting off with the usability we'll take a look at the user interface so for me the user interface for AutoCAD is kind of like nice and clear everything is there but it does look a little bit dated it kind of was looking back a bit when I did some research for the video and it really hasn't changed a massive amount since AutoCAD 2013 so if you can remember back that far that's quite a while ago but I don't know what you guys think is for me it's a little bit cluttered the icons look a little bit weird in terms of the size and the kind of you know the relationship to where they are but everything you need is there ultimately once you know it is you can find it and it's you know it's reasonably good unfunctional you've got up to your model space and your sheet layers down here so with the vet to its interface art is something I'm very familiar with to be fair I do think they've done an extremely nice job in the new 2020 version here we can see it in dark mode on Mac OS Mojave but the good thing with that - it's totally cross-platform so it will work really nicely on Windows as well and the icons now on vetvix are basically suitable for light mode or dark mode so particularly on the Mac platform that's a really nice aspect to the new icons down here you have the basic tools here you've got the tool sets for more advanced functions like the architect spotlight and landmark version over here you've got the object information this is your best friend when you're working all the information you need to do the drawing edit the drawing is available here Folie you've got the navigation palette which is kind of the equivalent really to the tabs along the bottom and this is where you have access to layers classes sheets viewport save use pretty much everything in fact it works and you can edit create and do everything you need here as well as going into a larger organizational dialogue so let's take a look at the user experience for AutoCAD now I remember the days when people used to use command line for AutoCAD and well those days are still with us as well as clicking on the icons obviously you can use the key in from the command line it's still kind of quite visible down here so quite a big part of AutoCAD is knowing all the little secret tips and tricks and command line instructions to get you where you need to go now while those are cool for those guys who you know love using software in a clever way for the average user you know I teach all sorts of people from young right through to sort of relatively sort of you know middle aged people adapting to CAD and they do report that command-line interface it's just something that's that not that intuitive I think the Vectorworks interface is far more intuitive you basically got your tools and commands essentially we've got nice easy to learn shortcuts that hover when you hover over the tool it will pop out and also when you right-click into the drawing you get the contextual menus which you can program and I've done that quite a lot on my interface so I'll try and show a bit more on the next couple of slides so finally we're going to talk in this section about the user collaboration or multi-user collaboration so AutoCAD has file referencing and always has done a very sort of good file referencing system that works very efficiently so you can access different files together to create more complex drawings also if you're team working one person can work on the plan other people can be working on the elevations for example but there are some limits in that you can't multi-user collaborate in a single user environment on one big project in AutoCAD at present however vector works not only does it offer two types of referencing the old layer style import method and the new modern design lab you partner where you can reference in a file you can rotate it you can essentially manage the layers in the classes with a net you can even crop it as well so that's pretty cool you can even duplicate it almost if there's repetition however the really cool thing with vet - it's multi-user collaboration is a new feature called project sharing now project sharing means that you can use one file and share that between a multitude of users all with different access permissions and which we say the ability to create resources or you know look at different layers and class setups as well so the great thing with project sharing is you can turn it on and off as needed and it's really straightforward to turn a project file a file into a project file and also go the other way and save a project file into a regular fact to its file so I really like the fact you have the flexibility you don't need to plan out all the referencing that you might have to do with a heavy project say with AutoCAD you don't have to do that with that - it's because you can just add more people onto the project as and when you need ok cool so I think that kind of takes us through the usability section and be interesting to get your feedback on what you think and we'll take a look at other features on the next slide so please join me for the next video in this series coming soon
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- Dolores Belles
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